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Supple Leopard vs The World

11/23/2013

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Interesting buzz going on right now in the S&C/Crossfit world.  Recently, the "pushing the knee's out during squat" has caused some controversy.  Popular by Kelly Starrett, there have been ongoing emails back and forth discussing some of the reasons behind the knee's out cue and what is exactly happening anatomically during the squat.  A series of blog posts have begun to outline these emails and there was also a recent article that sought to break down some of the main points of these responses.  

So what do we think about this?  Has Kelly Starrett found the answer to squatting? 
 (“Knees out is not the same as driving hips into ground And we seem to solve knee problems. And back problems. In everyone. And help set American records. And world records.  K”)  

Does "pushing the knee's out" cause good stability & mobility to squat effectively?  How should we be teaching our athletes to squat?


4 Comments
Shane - Elite Teams Sports Physiotherapy link
12/8/2013 01:35:59 pm

i think this is silly. Unless maybe he has an issue of medial drift, or poor hip & lower limb motor control causing his knee to go in on squat. Which is very dangerous with large injury complications and issues that may arise. However i think mostly they thinking, out, to prevent this. But out also has an array of issues that can occur. He need's start with low load split squats or single leg squat to slowly build up his motor control. Instead of just high load, poor neuromuscular control.

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Brian
12/11/2013 01:02:53 pm

Hi Shane,

Thanks for your comment. I agree that building up motor control first would be a good starting point. I see KS's point on pushing the knees out to prevent a valgus collapse but I don't think that his way is the only way to teach proper squatting. Motor control is definitely the foundation for a good squat, or landing pattern, for that matter.

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Deborah Koval link
3/3/2014 04:21:08 pm

When done properly, squatting improve the muscles aside from your legs. I've been doing this and I've notice an improvement in my upper and lower body strength

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Sam Miller link
4/13/2014 06:16:56 pm

I used to give this cue to my athletes and used it myself. What I found was that this creates an outward view of a better squat or movement while descending with hip and knee flexion; however, it did not result in the internal activation I wanted. Athletes tended to replicate the movement through increased use of the sartorius. Increasing gluteal involvement and torque through the ankle, as most of the athletes also showed valgus collapse there, was more effective and transferable to other movements.

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